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Jen Walker's avatar

I have to admit I am biased as "I have a dog in this fight". Much of what is highlighted in the discussion is why I founded Kinder Ground, a charity dedicated to improving the lives of farmed animals.

The background - I was sorting out my giving and estate planning. I had a self-imposed salary cap. Everything above X went to some sort of charity and I was planning that my estate went to the University to support work to advance animal welfare. Long story short, they made it too complicated, and made it hard, arguing that my name should be attached to it, even though I insisted NO. We went back and forth, and I was over it.

If not them, who? I searched. I had 2 options it seemed. "Ag Based" charities, that frankly are happy to support the status quo. Or, "Anti Ag" groups that worked to improve animal welfare with the primary or clear message that animal agriculture is all bad and needs to be stopped. I was not happy with either message/method and didn't feel either would drive sustained improvements and broad adoption of better practices.

I decided I was going put my money where my experience was, Kinder Ground was born.

The Challenge - As with most charities the challenge is funding. I get needing to prove that you are using funds in a responsible and effective manner. The challenge becomes a chicken and egg dilemma, you need money to prove that it works and need to prove that it works to raise money.

What this EA approach does is apply the worst of corporate habits, a myopic focus on efficiency. Our work will likely never fall into favor with the OP EA crowd. We are boots on the ground, bottom up, changing the culture at the farm level, normalizing making welfare a priority, and making it a "want to do", rather than a have to do. Farmers learn best from other farmers. Prove it on 1 and others will follow, either because they like it or see the value in it.

The Irony - The very reason the majority of our animal production systems fail to give animals a life worth living is corporate and shareholders tunnel vision on efficiency. Our systems are broke because they justify everything with efficiency.

EA, OP seem to think the same approach in philanthropy is going to fix it, conflating Effectiveness with Efficiency? I think their approach overlooks programs that can make an equal or greater impact if given the support needed. They may not be as efficient, but they are effective.

All the best

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Dirichlet-to-Neumann's avatar

Notre Dame is expected to draw in something like 10 millions visitors this year. I don't know about effective altruism, but it seems like effective investment for the French government (which is, by the way, the owner of the Cathedral).

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